2 Trick Pony
2x monthly personal stories about how career pivots, side projects, and hobbies build a more resilient and confident self. Co-hosted by wife duo Dr. Claire Ma and Dr. Melissa Betters.
2x monthly personal stories about how career pivots, side projects, and hobbies build a more resilient and confident self. Co-hosted by wife duo Dr. Claire Ma and Dr. Melissa Betters.
Episodes
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In this episode, Dr. Brielle Harbin shares her journey from tenured professor to entrepreneur and education consultant—and how building a “second trick” outside traditional academia reshaped her confidence, creativity, and relationship to work. Brielle reflects on the moment she realized her strengths extended beyond formal academic roles, the practical steps she took to explore community-building and leadership work, and how redefining success helped her design a more sustainable professional life.
Friday Mar 13, 2026
Ep14: How Cooking Opened Doors with Ilaria Ricci
Friday Mar 13, 2026
Friday Mar 13, 2026
This week features a special reunion with chef Ilaria Ricci, owner of Fancy Food Florence. Trained at Le Cordon Bleu in Paris and with over twenty years of experience as a professional chef, sommelier, and culinary instructor, Ilaria speaks with us from her home in Florence, Italy about how life’s unexpected turns led her to pivot from corporate law to her culinary career.
Friday Feb 27, 2026
Ep13: How Wildlife Photography Builds Curiosity with Drew Martin
Friday Feb 27, 2026
Friday Feb 27, 2026
This week, we speak with Drew Martin, a nature educator and guide in the Florida Keys with experience in marine biology and exhibit design. An avid wildlife photographer, Drew tells us how he’s incorporated his hobby into his day-to-day life and work.
Friday Feb 13, 2026
Ep12: How Flower Farming Brought Growth with Dr. Alanna Messner-Scholl
Friday Feb 13, 2026
Friday Feb 13, 2026
It’s almost Valentine’s Day, and who better to bring onto the show than our own wedding florist Alanna Messner-Scholl? In this fun reunion, we talk with Alanna about her career pivot from PhD-trained clinical psychologist to running her own florist business, Waverly Flower Co, with a focus on sustainable business practices in the wedding industry. Alanna shares her story about finding confidence as a flower farmer, and how becoming a mom gave her the motivation to explore new directions.
Friday Jan 30, 2026
Ep11: How Weightlifting Builds Courage with Dr. Kristin Harlow
Friday Jan 30, 2026
Friday Jan 30, 2026
In this conversation, we speak with Dr. Kristin Harlow, a former academic and policy evaluator-turned-weightlifting trainer. We learn from Kristin about her lifelong love for athletics and how she’s building a community for women in strength-training, as well as how she mustered up the courage to leap out of academic research and start her own garage gym.
Friday Jan 16, 2026
Ep10: How Letting Go Leads to Authenticity with April Lee
Friday Jan 16, 2026
Friday Jan 16, 2026
In this episode, we have a wide-ranging conversation about a personal search for meaning. A former government employee, April Lee speaks with us about how she left her job to explore creative crafts, reconnect with herself, and gain the confidence to build her own data visualization consultancy.
Friday Jan 02, 2026
Ep9: How Building Instruments Pushes Boundaries with John C.L. Jansen
Friday Jan 02, 2026
Friday Jan 02, 2026
New Year’s is a great time to consider a new hobby! We start the year off with professional musician, composer, and instrument maker John C.L. Jansen. We hear about the craft of building unusual instruments like daxophones and custom guitars, and how Jansen incorporates his built instruments into his music compositions. Jansen is also a classical guitarist and university music educator based in Washington, D.C.
Friday Dec 12, 2025
Ep8: How the Culinary Arts Build Resilience with Masid Cader
Friday Dec 12, 2025
Friday Dec 12, 2025
This week’s interview is for those who prefer to go big or go home. We talk with hobbyist chef Masid Cader about his experience fast-tracking his interest in gourmet cooking, including training with a Michelin-starred restaurant during the weekends, all while working full-time in investment banking.
Friday Nov 28, 2025
Ep7: How Food Writing Builds Belonging with PAKISTAN author Maryam Jillani
Friday Nov 28, 2025
Friday Nov 28, 2025
Just in time for Thanksgiving, we interview Maryam Jillani about her journey as a food journalist and her experience writing the groundbreaking cookbook PAKISTAN. In our conversation, we learn about how Maryam’s background in public policy, education, and international development gave her a unique perspective on food writing while bringing her cookbook project to life.
Friday Nov 14, 2025
Ep6: How Birding Brings Perspective with Nova Hanson
Friday Nov 14, 2025
Friday Nov 14, 2025
This week, we talk with marine biologist and medical technician Nova Hanson about her love for birding and photography, and how she keeps her hobby fun and meaningful.







